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The Ayaan Hirsi Ali Podcast: 24. Winston Marshall on Speaking Up


Ayaan is a Somali-born classical liberal. A free speech advocate. An activist for the rights of women and girls. A public intellectual with a powerful voice. A woman that does not back down when she sees a problem.

Previously a Member of the Dutch Parliament (2003-2006), she regularly called for furthering the integration of non-Western immigrants into Dutch society, and defending the rights of Muslim women.

The Ayaan Hirsi Ali Podcast is a home for critical thinking and common sense. Critical thinking, objective truth and free speech have always been under assault.

Some of her guests will surprise you. Some of the topics we’ll be covering are ones she’s never approached before. What all Ayaan’s guests will have in common is a passion for free inquiry and speech. They are not afraid to explore different perspectives, even if it means challenging their own assumptions, or violating cultural taboos. You, the audience, can make up your minds which arguments make most sense to you. We would love to hear your thoughts after each show.

This episode was recorded on June 28th, 2021.

Ayaan speaks with Winston Marshall soon after he left the band, Mumford & Sons. They discuss his work helping Hong Kongers integrate into the UK, his interest in speaking up for the Uighurs in China, and much more.

Winston Marshall was the banjo player in the popular rock band, Mumford & Sons, from 2007-2021. In March, Winston tweeted “Congratulations Andy Ngo. Finally had the time to read your important book. You’re a brave man.”

Facing strong backlash from the Left for his tweet, he apologized to protect his band members. In June, he wrote an article on Medium where he explained the difficult decision to leave Mumford & Sons.

Winston is the co-founder of Hong Kong Link Up, a non-profit organization which aims to link up British residents with Hong Kongers arriving in the UK.

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